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Baron von Lotsov · 03-05-2008, 06:55 PM

I think the Tories are in for a bit of a landslide at the next election. They will hold the power and a lot of Tories don't like the EU. It has even been said that the reason the UKIP vote is not what it once was is because Cameron is not particularly pro-EU. Well not when one compares him to Major, who single-handedly really messed things up. So Cameron can see that in order to get ahead he must be at least a bit eurosceptic and that is why he made such a deal about the referendum. This kept the eurosceptics in the party happy while not creating a huge split and infighting, it also created a surge in the polls for them. Cameron knows he needs to keep his party united so I think it may be he will drift ever so slowly towards a eurosceptic position, because that is where the centre right votes are.

One thing that is not so good though is when the UKIP and Tories keep bashing each other. A lot of voters have sympathy with both parties and so I think a far better strategy is to target the real bad apples. Ken Livingstone is just such a person. Few on the right would argue with that and so I think it is best to remove some of the Liberal Democrat votes and Labour ones. The Libdems weakness is they are deceitful over Europe and when some of their supporters realise what it is they have inadvertently backed they might flip the other way. David Heath did and he is a popular person in the party.

Indeed it seems there is a healthy euroscepticism amongst people in this country and to keep that nurtured we must avoid looking extremist. That's what card the socialists play on people, they liken the right wing with Nazis. Even though it is completely false people still buy it. They try and label eurosceptics as wreckers and we don't want to fuel any of this. It should be more of a steering operation and getting backers as and when they personally decide Europe is the wrong path to go down.

03-05-2008, 06:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
Baron von Lotsov Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,082	I think the Tories are in for a bit of a landslide at the next election. They will hold the power and a lot of Tories don't like the EU. It has even been said that the reason the UKIP vote is not what it once was is because Cameron is not particularly pro-EU. Well not when one compares him to Major, who single-handedly really messed things up. So Cameron can see that in order to get ahead he must be at least a bit eurosceptic and that is why he made such a deal about the referendum. This kept the eurosceptics in the party happy while not creating a huge split and infighting, it also created a surge in the polls for them. Cameron knows he needs to keep his party united so I think it may be he will drift ever so slowly towards a eurosceptic position, because that is where the centre right votes are. One thing that is not so good though is when the UKIP and Tories keep bashing each other. A lot of voters have sympathy with both parties and so I think a far better strategy is to target the real bad apples. Ken Livingstone is just such a person. Few on the right would argue with that and so I think it is best to remove some of the Liberal Democrat votes and Labour ones. The Libdems weakness is they are deceitful over Europe and when some of their supporters realise what it is they have inadvertently backed they might flip the other way. David Heath did and he is a popular person in the party. Indeed it seems there is a healthy euroscepticism amongst people in this country and to keep that nurtured we must avoid looking extremist. That's what card the socialists play on people, they liken the right wing with Nazis. Even though it is completely false people still buy it. They try and label eurosceptics as wreckers and we don't want to fuel any of this. It should be more of a steering operation and getting backers as and when they personally decide Europe is the wrong path to go down. __________________ "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have..."