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Two comedy magicians have become the world's experts on recycling?
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Ah the good old Ad Homiem to get things started. Always a dodgy sign.
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have 3 times more trees than we did in 1920 (no source for those 'facts'). The 'facts' are presented from the position that 'Recycling is B@llsh|t' and nobody who has been interviewed, in good faith, has had the opportunity to present a counter argument or to correct the edited version of what they allegedly have said.
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They were talking as we in the USA. It is a fact that the USA has more trees now, than in 1920.
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According to the SAF, "the country has more trees now than it did in 1920 on approximately the same amount of forestland. It also has the largest legally protected wilderness system in the world, while at the same time sustaining a highly productive and efficient wood products industry."
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You can argue over the exact amount "more" if you want. Their logic is more important to me, in that if you farm trees (like potatos), you end up having more, not less.
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There are a lot of statements presented in Matt Davies style
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Why thank you. Maybe I should go into T.V. too and become as popular as these guys.
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disagree and you're a moron approach
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No I don't think that. Only certain people fall into that category and not because they disagree.
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There is a whole series of similar Penn and Teller B@llsh|t programmes, they are intended as parody and not as factual accounts of the real situation, but humour was never a strong point of yours was it Matt?
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Oh I don't know, I think they make excellent use of humour to get points across. I can understand why people get upset when it challenges their long held beleifs though. It's a bit like finding out you have been a mug for a long time and can't quite bring yourself to accepting it. As for the swearing, it is true, some of us aren't prudes and don't get offended by simple words. I appologise for that.
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The video ignores the fact that most cardboard and toilet paper is from break even/profitable recycling
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Well if you can give me some evidence of such an industry, that fully takes into account any subsidies and makes sure that profit is returned to the subsidiser, I would be glad to see it.
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Metal smelters in this country cannot get enough recycled material, but let's not let facts get in the way.
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You can ignore the fact I and the programme said some things are worth recycling if you want. It doesn't make you right though.
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Matt, you cannot really take this video as 'fact'. It relates to the USA, is factually wrong and is presented in an amateur and offensive way that patronises those who are genuinely interested in this issue. If that is your idea of 'facts and figures' then you are, IMHO, lamentably ill informed and lack the capacity to understand or debate the issues of the day.
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The logic is what interests me more than the figures that come after. Something you haven't even tried to analyse. I wonder why??
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I note that rather than attack me with facts you attack my membership of a political party which I joined when I was 17 (I am now approaching 51) because in the la-la land of MKPD once you have made a mistake as a teenager you have to have it thrown at you for the rest of your life.
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Ah the bitter taste of your own medicine. Difficult to swallow isn't it. Only I was responding to your slanderous comments that people like me go around punching people and littering. Not very nice, considering I hadn't attacked you in any way and not based on reality. I like to make my responses based on a bit of fact. Yep we all make mistakes and we all have to live with them. Especially when we choose to throw stones ourselves.
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You say that because of my uninformed views when I was 17 you don't value my opinions now
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Well I didn't actually say that, but you keep on making it up as you go along if you wish. You suggested that we are all against fascism, I suggested I don't believe that and in your case, your past allegiences need to be taken into account, along with your unwavering support of law, any kind of law dervived from anywhere, including the EU.
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I campaigned for the People Party (modern Greens)
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That explains a lot.
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campaigned for the People Party (modern Greens) when I was 16 and when the NF split I went with the moderate NFCM before joining the Young Conservatives. Oddly Matt, as I have matured my views have become more informed by reading widely, gaining a couple of degrees, serving as a commissioned officer in a conflict zone, experiencing more of the world and life and generally growing up.
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Bully for you. Though I have to report that sometimes you can take the man out of the fascist party, but you can't take the fascist out of the man. I see real signs of it still in you, but you are free to ignore my analysis.
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but I'm not too optimistic at the moment if you genuinely believe what you say.
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I believe everything I say. Doesn't mean I don't get it wrong from time to time though.
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I have never hurt or attacked anyone because of the colour of their skin, even when I was in the NF I had coloured friends and we debated the issues of the day. We even drank together. Strange but true.
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That's good to hear. I am sure that they forgive you for funding and supporting a party that did then.
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I didn't accuse you of smoking or littering, I said 'someone like you' spoke to a street cleaner.
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I'll remind you what you said, unprovoked.
You might believe, as a 'libertarian', that you have the 'right' not to cooperate with the community in which you live and that you might litter, defecate in the street, punch those you disagree with etc etc,
When I was young a street cleaner in Coventry was abused for asking someone like you not to drop a cigarette end.
Both ridiculous, unfounded and out of order slurs. You expect me to just sit back and take this ********? Sorry you have misjudged me if you think I will just cower down to such rubbish. You wanted a piece of me and you got it. Your partner may be willing to overlook you starting fights, but that doesn't mean I will.
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Do you really believe that if you were ever elected you wouldn't cause a strike of the local authority workers with your attitude to the opinions of others.
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1) There is no danger of that ever happening. I have no desire of ever being in government and am incapable of lying and pretending I am something I am not to win anyway. The only reason I ever stand, is to get people thinking about our wonderful system.
2) If a party that put my views on freedom into action, then I am sure some people would go on strike. I would hope such a party would try to phase in changes to prevent that happening, but I accept some people won't like it. Collectivists and fascists for starters.
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Somebody has to make the decision whether or not to collect waste weekly or fortnightly for instance
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And there is the rub of it. For years people were perfectly happy with their weekly collection. No one every demanded this be cut to every two weeks. I might have, if I would have got money off my council tax. However, as you know, this has been forced on us by the European Union. We now may much more, for much less service, based on utter lies. We simply are not running out of landfill space. It is ludicrous to even suggest we are, but that is what they tell people in leaflets. People are getting worse service for more money, based on lies. End of story.
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Matt, IMHO, you should stay away from politics.
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Yes, shut up Matt, I don't want to hear your opinion. As I said, you can take the man out of the fascist party.
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You are not capable of understanding the posts of others
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I'll leave that up to others to decide. I think I undesrtand them pretty well. Well enough to spot a fraud a mile off.
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you are not fit (IMHO) to be an elected representative
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That's O.K, I feel the same about you. Only I think you have the skills required to manipulate yourself into power. Blair had it, Cameron has it and I think you do too. Maybe that's why we get what we get, because the liars and cheats are willing to do what it takes, while the people of principle are two busy worrying about their principles.
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You think you're clever, but (IMHO) your posts demonstrate that you are not.
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I think I am average. I know lots of people who I think are much more clever. You are quite clever, but you are nasty, authortarian, manipulative and, sadly for you, make the mistake of revealing that side of yourself to the world when you were young. That one mistake may prevent you from going any further than councilor level. Communism seems to be forgiven, but the other side of the authortarian coin isn't. Unlucky.