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Old 27-04-2008, 01:49 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Matt, Your response to every law that you don't like is that it is 'fascist' or based on 'fascism'. It is of course your own definition of 'fascism' that includes laws passed by democratically elected MPs and councillors in accordance with their manifesto pledges. Basically, rather than provide any cogent argument to counter those, the overwhelming majority in some cases, who disagree with you, you respond with comments that by the paucity of thought that is behind them defy a logical response. All of us are opposed to 'fascism', it's just that some of us have a different understanding to you of what it means. I have made the mistake of studying the subject of fascism and reading widely, but still cannot seem to agree with you that common sense rules that are accepted by the majority of the populace are fascist.

If my freedom of speech were to be curtailed I might think it was fascist. If my right to read what I choose were to be curtailed I might think that it was fascist. If I am asked, in order to make society run more effectively for the common good, to help the binmen I might be hard pressed to think it was fascist.

The only reason that this matter has made headlines is that the guy has been stung a few quid for not complying with local rules. He might argue that it is 'fascist', but the truth is that he saw it coming and did nothing.

You might believe, as a 'libertarian', that you have the 'right' not to cooperate with the community in which you live and that you might litter, defecate in the street, punch those you disagree with etc etc, but that stands the tenets of libertarianism on their head. Libertarianism is not, as you seem to think, the cult of self above others, but a responsible view that you are free to do as you please in that it doesn't harm others. We can all be free to litter, but we all have to pay for the streets to be cleaned if we don't want to live in our own sewage.

When I was young a street cleaner in Coventry was abused for asking someone like you not to drop a cigarette end. The street cleaners struck for a weekend and the city was filthy. The city centre was awash with chip wrappers and cans. One man not helping the bin men might seem like a bold statement against fascist laws, but I bet if everyone did it then Copeland would become a sh|t hole in days.

Matt, You have failed to debate or discuss this issue because you are incapable of doing so. You revert to type and dismiss counter arguments with simple sloganising. On the basis of the arguments that I have put forward come up with facts and figures (Matt provide facts and figures ) to disprove what I have said. It's easy if you have them.

It is so easy for people who will never be elected and have never been elected to criticise those who have to make decisions to run our society.

There are genuine cases where the police and local officials do get it wrong, but this is not one of them.
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