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Bob FM · 26-04-2008, 06:30 AM

Swan song is typical of the anti smoker, in misrepresenting what others post. Where in my piece (which I assume you are referring to) did I say UKIP would take a pro-smoking stance. The stance is of Pro Choice, one of the Key Stones of any Democracy. Also I did not in any way indicate that smoking wasn't harmful, although statistically only 8% of smokers are likely to become ill from smoking throughout their life time. The 50% so often bandied around about the likely death amongst smokers, is actually 50% of the 8% not 50% of the total. And again it is based on 'smoking related'. Smoking is a 23% trigger for Lung cancer, which means there are 77% of 'other' triggers. All that said the issue of bans was nothing to do with smoker health or for that matter the public's health, it was for 'worker health'. Ironically 80% of all those working in Hospitality (both smoker and non smoker) were happy with their environment. The simple fact remains when you analyse the 'reasons', anti smokers complain about smoking you are constantly faced with these adjectives, smelly, filthy, disgusting, rarely do you hear, the smoke is killing me, because it isn't. If one then objectively looks at solutions, as I did as a non smoker, it then becomes obvious that improved ventilation/filtration and or separate smoking rooms is the solution to allow choice. Smokers and tolerant non smokers have co-existed in harmony for decades. The other irony of smoking bans is that non smoking friends go outside with their smoking friends. So I say to Swan Song and others. The facts are out, you just need to seek them out. I find it quite ironic that a poster of a forum entitled British Democracy would deny that right to 14 million people, 6 million more than voted in this current Government. Oh just as an aside David Cameron and his party voted 2 to 1 against a total smoking ban, but now David has done a 'u' turn on his view, I wonder why.?

26-04-2008, 06:30 AM	#21 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 587	TyPical Anti Smoker Swan song is typical of the anti smoker, in misrepresenting what others post. Where in my piece (which I assume you are referring to) did I say UKIP would take a pro-smoking stance. The stance is of Pro Choice, one of the Key Stones of any Democracy. Also I did not in any way indicate that smoking wasn't harmful, although statistically only 8% of smokers are likely to become ill from smoking throughout their life time. The 50% so often bandied around about the likely death amongst smokers, is actually 50% of the 8% not 50% of the total. And again it is based on 'smoking related'. Smoking is a 23% trigger for Lung cancer, which means there are 77% of 'other' triggers. All that said the issue of bans was nothing to do with smoker health or for that matter the public's health, it was for 'worker health'. Ironically 80% of all those working in Hospitality (both smoker and non smoker) were happy with their environment. The simple fact remains when you analyse the 'reasons', anti smokers complain about smoking you are constantly faced with these adjectives, smelly, filthy, disgusting, rarely do you hear, the smoke is killing me, because it isn't. If one then objectively looks at solutions, as I did as a non smoker, it then becomes obvious that improved ventilation/filtration and or separate smoking rooms is the solution to allow choice. Smokers and tolerant non smokers have co-existed in harmony for decades. The other irony of smoking bans is that non smoking friends go outside with their smoking friends. So I say to Swan Song and others. The facts are out, you just need to seek them out. I find it quite ironic that a poster of a forum entitled British Democracy would deny that right to 14 million people, 6 million more than voted in this current Government. Oh just as an aside David Cameron and his party voted 2 to 1 against a total smoking ban, but now David has done a 'u' turn on his view, I wonder why.?