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"economic liberalisation by China and her socio-political liberalisation"
Is this similar to the "liberalisation" of Iraq ? Just wondered..........
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It is totally different from the evidence above.
As your name says you can handle the truth, it is time to put it into practice.
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"We are to believe China out of the goodness of their hearts, took it upon themselves to take pity on Tibet, without any personal gain at all ? Anyone who believes that is living in a dreamworld.
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Of course no. I would object if anyone take such a view.
All states want the entirety of their and and population-their sovereignty. It is no secret.
Isn't it time to expose the mask of Free-Tibet cheer leaders as misguided individuals who jump at joy for the first time they can express a sense of rebellion and uncivility under the banner of self-righteousness?
Do you believe their story that China has done nothing in the land other than "brutal mass murder", "cultural genocide" and "demograhic aggression".
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You can quote mortility rates and propagandist sources like wikipedia if you like to argue living standard are better now, but judging by China's human rights record, one child policy and the oppression they still show towards Tibet today, there is little reason to believe anything has changed for the average Tibetan at all.
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Leaving the debate on China' human rights record aside, this statement itself is a Non sequitur.
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Selectively quote all the economic figures you like - it's still a brutal and oppressive regime that supresses freedom of speech - fact.
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I dont have to "selectively quote". From a rough glance, there is no economic argument in your favour.
Go through my sources and pick evidence to support your claims if you can find.
China's constitution guarantees freedom of speech but like other states, it has a few laws limiting freedom of speech, for instance, excitement of religious and racial hatred or bringing about the subversion of state and socialist China.
It is arbitrary and open to abuse, but "far from a brutal and oppressive regime that supresses freedom of speech".
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"better satisfying the various cultural demands of the masses." means basically "screwing and westernizing Tibet for the profits of the invaders, and the companies operating over there.
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If you have looked through the source in greater detail Tibet isn't "westernised". There are rural regions where conservative Tibetan culture flourish and yes, there are alot banks, cinemas, Macdonalds in city areas.
What you say "westernised" is in fact "modernised". I do not see problem with that.
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Quality of life is not all about profit for big business, it is about personal freedom. Any economic figures are likely to portray the fact that Tibet is being used and exploited to make money for the Chinese.
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Firstly, there are very poor Han Chinese in China as well, and millions who are exploited by corporates and business, especially so when China's present unions are not as strong as the European ones. I find it odd when some are trying to paint a picture of "Tibetans being exploited by Chinese to make money". If you look at the monetary policies China has for minority, Han Chinese are much more likely to be exploited by business and corporates than Tibetans.
Staying wealthy itself does not mean you have access to all freedom. You are right about that. But it is without a shadow of doubt that staying poor or staying in an impoverished developing country has much of your personal freedom snatched away. If you are dirt poor in a nation without a reasonable level of welfare and education system there isn't a fair playing ground to start with. If you are trapped in a nation with incompetant legal system or law enforcing agency your lives and properties are threatened everynow and then.
To give a more detailed example while in law China strictly forbids the use of torture the official in 2000admits that there is still abuse of power occasionaly happening in remote regions from Beijing where a check and balance on the law enforcing agents is not well built.
Therefore, I saw problems of China and human rights issues in China as largely for her progressive stage as a developing nation who has just struggled to feed her population not so long ago, and is having a rapid economic achievement which her socio-political changes find themselves too slow to cope with.
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"And I personally doubt the average Tibetan slave is any better off at all....
"There are numerous Chinese students waving their national flags in London and Paris to express their support for the game and their country. Are they also government paid agents as well to pretend to support a Stalinist regime?"
No like everywhere there are people like them (and like you) who enjoy mindlessly supporting whoever or whatever is the cool thing to do, without considering the political implications of supporting such a debacle.
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To start off, the media frenzy and politically correct consensus clearly shows that supporting China is not cool. You should lecture the free Tibet cheerleaders who have a firm conviction that they are not doing something cool, but self-righteous and attention seeking as their present mood perfectly fits your accusation.
Did they actually sit down and do their research or do whatever they can to obtain a sense of "good feeling" by expressing their rebellion with a politically correct banner?
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"I'm sure there are some Zimbabweans in London who support the Zimbabwe cricket team, but it doesn't mean the Zimbabwe leadership is not corrupt, or that we should send our cricket team to play there. (though ironically we probably still do - well if you're supporting China anyway why have double-standards ?).
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Not only did the Chinese students support their game, they also oppose Tibet Independence and have been distributing leaflets to air their views. It is clearly more than a game.
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"To be kind to you, you've got a very twisted view of freedom and you're "all for profit" no matter what the consequences to the average Tibetan.
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That's really a grossly inaccurate description of my views. In fact the average live of a Tibetan has been an important segment of my argument.