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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee
How? Any kind of rights involve two people or more and they tend to involve inanimate material(or animals) which is not covered by self-ownership. I see no "natural" approach to this material coming from the idea of self-ownership.
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By 'see no' do you mean that you have never seen an argument put forward for this, or that you find them all inconclusive?
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How? I can see that the case for absentee ownership of resources being immoral is at least as strong as it being moral.
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This mostly depends upon how justly one came to own the land in the first place.
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Well I take it you mean American style libertarian and not say anarcho-communism(which was the first ideology to use the term libertarian.). I don't see why the lockean idea of ownership must necessarily create this.
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I mean what is the current commonly accepted definition of libertarianism. A right wing ideology that wishes to maximise both economic and social liberty.
Secondly, I never made the argument that the Lockean idea of ownership necessitates this ideology, which is why I made it clear that I was talking about Nozick's reformation of the Lockean proviso. However, concerning whether I own myself or not, whether or not Locke said this is irrelevant. I don't see an axiom such as this up for debate. Furthermore, the majority of modern interpretations of Locke would place him as a precursor to (or a member of) the modern libertarian/classical liberal movement (obviously after we, like with Aristotle, ignore the small sections on slavery and such). So I don't really understand what you are implying by the latter part of this statement.
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I think by allowing more absentee ownership and therefore decreasing the average individuals access to land and natural resources as well decreasing access to credit and their wages therefore lowering their autonomy and freedom. Geolibertarian or mutualist or distribution seem much more acceptable to me.
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I don't agree that this would be the case. However, the Geolibertarian stance does the exact opposite, it restricts freedom in the opposite direction.