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Originally Posted by Smidgey
Any sense? I suggest you crack open the history books or look at the specific exampls around the world today.
Just because the tax provides services doesn't mean it was not stolen. A robber who steals fifty pounds from you to pay for his cinema tickets has still stolen money from you.
Secondly, if they are so essential, I most certainly do not want Labour or the Conservatives in charge of them. Unlike you, Rjt, I don't have as much faith in our annointed leaders.
It is not up to me to make such things affordable. However, you are right to enquire about the cost. This country simply cannot afford to keep the current welfare state. We are already in billions of pounds of debt. Under the system you espouse, when something bad happens to the economy, we are all going down the crapper whether we like it or not. Furthermore, you assume too much. The cost of health care, as a total of GDP, will go down.
No, because I don't believe in stripping the welfare state from under people who have paid into it for their whole lives. I would much rather gradually wean people off the system and slowly abolish it.
Friends, family, charity? There are countries across the world (take Japan for example) which have far less state involvement in care for the elderly and their elderly are better cared for!
You, Rjt, support giving our elderly a poorer quality of life. Revolting.
People can be cared for without theft. I'm surprised at how many Christians in this country, like yourself Rjt, who support theft and force to pay for things that can be provided at a cheaper cost under private enterprise.
It is sick and immoral, nothing less.
How dare you. This statement obviously shows your complete ignorance on the subject of libertarianism. Not to mention that your above post contains many misconceptions.
You are the supporter lof theft and authority, not me. You are the one who is closer to Robert Mugabe.
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I agree with you that I dont want Labour or Tory in charge of our services either. I am afraid if you are proposing a dismantling of the welfare state the cost is the most important thing and the cost of private health and education is more exensive than its state provision, it is the beurocracy which causes the costs and needs attacking as does the level of care the state should provide.
Again you argument is not valid about christanity, you dont even know the bible, give to caesar what belongs to caesar and give to God what belongs to God. Taxes if fairly implemnted are perfectly legitamte for christians.
You are quite entitled to raise the issues of other countrys as examples where things are done diffrently , but please show me where in this country and after all we should be looking to act in our national intrest if we want this freedom you talk off, show me where there is widespread support for dismatling a health service where care is free at the point of use in favour of insurance schemes, show me where dismatling a state education system is less popular than say a vouchar scheme. telll me how someone accused of a crime can get legal representation without legal aid.
You are more than entitled to your views but they are hardly realistic as regards mianstream political thinking. I am intrested in partys who have cohrent and workable programs for government.