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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth
Frith - I can tell you are are a well meaning person, but surely you don't believe in the "natural moral mode in each individual" ?
Are you saying everybody means well ?
What about Hitler ?
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Hitler thought he meant well. He thought this more usefully and normally when he was younger and before psychosis set in. He was very ill. He became paranoid. These things interfere with anyone's moral functioning. Hitler allowed hatred to get out into the world, closely attended by evil, by projection onto others of the things he hated in himself and in Germany. As time and his illness progressed, he and Germany became one and he began to try to eradicate imperfection from the earth, failing to look in the mirror, or rather failing to see himself and seeing instead some beautiful homoerotic Aryan godman instead.
This is what ye wanted to be and so it is what he wanted all Germans to become. Naturally what followed was an attempt, through political manipulation, to make of Germany the model of the futuristic golden godmen of a perfect society, without blemish or defect and possessed of the keys of the kingdom of capability. Modern neo nazis almost all fall for this dream. You can see it in all their longing for power and glory in a shedding of the perceived (and often imagined) weakness and degeneration they find in the world. Often, they are force fed this dream by others and fortunately many give up the whole terrible hallucination and come back to earth and live normally again. Those who don't, or can't, continue to poison the wells of the dispossessed and the angry, knowing that this is where they will find the potential to make that dream reality. It's really a cult now but it became a whole nation's shame and destruction in 1939.
I believe every creature has a decision making centre. I believe humans have an advanced one because they can think and have language and volition beyond their instincts. Well, most of them, anyway.
But we come in various kinds. Some of us are passive, others active, some are morally inclined, others seemingly devoid of moral discrimination. Too many factors influence this for it to be worth worrying about in terms of your concerns in this post.
What matters is whether the individual can discern right from wrong in a way that transcends mere learning or cultural contexts and act or not act by means of his or her own volition. This is the hero personality of legend, the one that stands alone, speaks out and never leaves his post. The old berserker of the Viking myths and histories and the hero of the German legends and the Celtic myths. Lugh the sword bearer, and sun being, the saviour figure, the light, etc. It is these positive, strong masculine features that make up what can be used from the moral centre in men.
Women, of course, as you know, are from another constellation and act and work in mysterious ways. But they do act and they have many ways of doing this. Men have the path of the sun before them, the road of sharp rocks or the ocean of dangerous monsters. They need to navigate and cut paths, they need this because it is in their nature.
So when someone like Hitler, a small boring looking individual with a complex psychology regarding masculinity and destiny and heroism and connections to the past, decides one day that he will seize the moment and that he is the hero and all he needs is the conditions and the war band and he can break through and act, he does. The rest was a litany of misery and disaster, interspersed with genius and evolution in science and technology. A time not to be repeated soon, a time slotted into a complicated series of fissures in European self-consciousness.
What is problematic is Hitler's effect on people who should have known better. He gained power not from his own centre but from the combined support of others. Some were ignorant of his underlying and hidden ambitions, it's true and many were forced into the war machine. But still, if only people had listened when the voices of warning had spoken out. They are almost always there. It just depends on whether anyone wants to hear them.
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What could I live with myself if I saw injustice but did nothing ?
If I have to tell the truth(no matter how bad it is) then I will have to do that....
Do you see what I mean ?
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I understand your position entirely and you should have that right. If you don't have it, then like the Tibetans, you may have to take the risks involved in getting your message across. We each have different methodology that best suits our nature.
I'm just sorry more people aren't more spiritually generous and can't make room for those who maybe speak their warnings and messages in a different kind of language.
If you were a tradesman at a fair, I would stop and look at your wares. I may buy something I liked, put it alongside my collection of treasures when I got home. Because there is always something special about the thing made by hand infused with the spirit of the artisan. If you take time and watch your purchase it will speak to you in its own language. But this is something that takes time and dedication to learn how to accomplish. It requires that we see with different eyes and comprehend from less known centres, travel a few of the untrodden roads in our soulscape to discover the soulscape of another in his words and creations.
I have no axe to grind with you or your beliefs. You are free to hold them and talk about them. At least you would be on my narrow boat. But then my narrow boat goes on canals that don't show up on maps.
