EA of Dune,
I think a lot of the points I've raised in response to PcMadness cover your points.
I take your point and I've apologized to PCMadness, but I don't think you should necessarily assume I was personally attacking him or even calling him racist if I make a statement like that.
I was trying to point out(and I probably did it poorly) that often, people can use the same kind of language that comes straight out of the propaganda handbook without even realizing it.
People assume that I'm coming from (as they say) New Labour Politically correct angle, because they themselves have become aware of the same tactic, so instantly think I am in league with the government "politically correct" agenda.
In fact quite the opposite is true - because I know the government tactics of wanting to divide and conquer people using the race card, I don't want them to resort to play up to it - it's better to acknowledge the problem but rise above it and realize who is ultimately creating the feeling of resentment in this country.
If you read my post to PCMadness, I hope you will see what I mean.
As you say "Thanks to the PC multi-cultural society we live in even commenting on issues of race these days is seen as a crime in itself..."
Exactly - I think you've partly explained my point.
Is it any wonder we're all so defensive ? It's totally ridiculous.
Yes of course bad s*it is going down, but let's look at the bigger picture and not try to get invloved in personal battles between each other - that's the main goal of everything that's happening by design.
Anyway, in answer to your other points/questions,
"what criteria makes you decide if they are(government stooge) out of interest?"
It's easier to find traits of people who defintely aren't - if someone is like PCMadness and is ultimately genuine, honest and doesn't resort to namecalling(like me I suppose !) to make their argument, then I'd say they're definitely not.
What makes it difficult is that a lot of people sound exactly like you would expect one to be, but it doesn't mean they are - they may well be just spouting the same rubbish that they were taught by the propaganda they watched and they firmly believe in it.
If you take for example Akria, Clippo and Besoeker - judging by their global warming rhetoric and spin you would guess they probably are, but again, they may just be totally wrong and misled.
However when you consider both Akria and Besoeker have both claimed they are very ill you have to wonder.... (they're top of my list).
The biggest giveaway I think are people who label themselves anti-euro but never condemn the EU and always defend the government - like Eurosceptic Atlantacist.
And people who always nit-pick but never say anything positive about improving things.
Then you've got well meaning people like Bear, who are quite intelligent in some ways, but trust the governement far too much....
You can say I'm paranoid, but I don't think I am all the time.
You can't say "Oh that would never happen" when all the signs are that there's fake info and misinformation being put out for the sole purpose of doing just that.
But is could just be that they believe what they believe because they're misled.
I know I shouldn't really mention it, but it does make people realize they are defending the ideas of government, so I don't think it's as personal as you think. I'm invariably called a conspiracy theorist !
But yes theoretically you're right - "don't come down to the same level" - but who sets these "politically correct" rules anyway ?
Occasionally you've got to kick people up the ar*e and fight fire with fire......
That's the problem with UKIP - they are so worried about their image and appearing totally "correct" and following "process" I sadly doubt they'll ever get anywhere.
Whatever you think about the BNP(and I don't support their "cultural" ideas), they tell it as they see it and that partly explains their success.
Anyway I take your point -I'll try to ease off (if I can). Not that I don't use reasoned argument too !
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Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed.
cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK
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