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I have read 'Seven Years In Tibet' by Heinrich Harrer, it is of course an invaluble eyewitness account of pre invasion Tibet. Harrer was of course more famous as a mountaineer, but his eyewitness accounts are valid. It was first published in 1953, a long time before 'Free Tibet' became a trendy cause celebre in Hollywood. The book is not politically motivated, in my opinion.
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A lot of criticism is targeted towards the great cultural revolution, which the whole China suffered through it as a result. Strangely enough, that give some people a free pass for Tibetan independence.
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Your assertion that:
denotes a staggeringly wrongheaded misunderstanding of the situation. There is no Tibetan army to stage a military revolt. It may astonish you to learn that the Chinese would not allow the formation of a Tibetan Army. Over 87,000 Tibetans were murdered by the Chinese after the 1959 uprising - those are Chinese figures by the way. Care to justify them?
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A lot more died in China's civil war anyway. Im not going to "justify" history. Political powers and much "isms" come through bloody path. Note the use of the phrase "murder of Tibetans" which is trying to convey a different message.
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As for 'inconvenient truth' the fact of the Chinese genocide in Tibet seems to be an inconvenient truth to you. I can only reiterate, there was no need for the Tibetan people to be subjected to a genocide in order to foster economic development. Is that hard to understand?
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I feel a deep sympathy and empathy to Jewish people, the most tragic victims of genocide in 20th century when the term "genocide" is often maniputed like inflated currency by political advocates to suit their own agenda.
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The Dali Lama is, in my opinion, a disaster for Tibet. He's just not radical or angry enough, why he refers to the murderous Chinese invaders as 'Brothers' defies me! As for real politic; the Chinese will free Tibet when, and only when they are forced to pay too high a price for their continued and illegal occupation. Had the Dali Lama taken a leaf out of the IRAs book we could be looking at a free Tibet right now. It's a pity he did not. The Chinese occupation was on shaky ground, at least for the first few years.
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So you support international terrorism as well as international secessionism?
The Interventionists in Washinton and Brussels dont need an angry man trying to stage a "river of blood" scene in Tibet. Interventionists need a "peaceful" symbol to put them on seemingly high moral ground. Do you honestly think he can get Nobel "Peace" prize if he subscribe to your radical view? Someone has to be the Mr Good guy and Dalai Lama knows his role.
This corresponds to the claim that Iraqi insurgents as well as Alqaeda do they do because they "hate our freedom". This suits the agenda that Human rights is a problem for China but not oil rich producing nation such as Saudi Arabia. Isn't the picture more or less complete?
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Mass immigration of Han Chinese into Tibet was forced on the Tibetans by the Chinese and their brutal occupation. It's not something the Tibetans ever wished for.
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A referendum for immigration policy? When? where? how? I wonder if it happened in any part of the world.
As i have said, Chinese immigrants come in two types. There are government personnels and civil servents to provide assistance to the regime. There are individuals who saw greater personal opportunities.
Thanks to the decades of free tibet movement people, like you has formed an intense hatred towards not only China, but the entire Chinese population. I think this isn't the spirit of human rights and democracy, is it?
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Since when has democracy been an evil? I would assert that the civil rights movement in the USA would have happened whatever the Soviets said. As for the 'New Soviet Man', wasn't he supposed to come into existence in 1985? Has anybody heard from him since?
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Im not trying to paint democracy as evil but communism isn't running against "democarcy" but is itself diametrically opposed to capitalism, inequality and racial/class opression, everything that co-existed with democracy in the western world for centuries until the 60s and 70s.
It's highly debatable what role did international communism played in improvement of equality and social justice in the west. "Neo-marxism" is often a label some staunch conservatives like to put on socially progressive ideas.
Cold War Civil Rights:Race and the Image of American Democracy, historian Mary L. Dudziak showed how, in the ideological battle of the Cold War, Communist critics could easily point out the hypocrisy of the United States's portrayal of itself as the "leader of the free world" when so many of its citizens were the object of racial discrimination. She contended that this was a major factor in pushing the government to support civil rights legislation.
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Oh No! I have broken Chinese Communist law! How will I ever forgive myself? 
Olympic Flame, is the Chinese Government paying you to lurk on forums spouting the same Chinese lies about Tibet? Why are simply vomiting out the same lies the Chinese propoganda machine has been putting out about their illegal occupation on Tibet for the last few decades? |
Lies are deliberately made false statements that I would not make. I also dont believe in deliberately forging an consensus through appealing to emotions and ad hominem attack. There is no reason to believe that Free Tibet movement, or any other movement should not be examined under detailed scrutiny.
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Sure and thanks and I ll look to it when Im free. Just a gentle reminder anyway. By understanding, it includes the reliability, usefulness and perspective of sources rather than blindly conforming to the thesis pushed forward by the authors.
Instead of beating the dead horse such as how many religious Tibetans are tortured in the great cultural revolution that rocked China, or victims of "genocide" in civil wars decades ago when China itself has been in defacto state of civil wars for decades, there are better ways to look at the issue in modern China to advance the interest of all people of China regardless of race or religion.
If you understand the underlying spirirt of [b]ethnonationalism[b]