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Originally Posted by Aardvark
JC, mkpd, You can argue with people without insulting them or, if you want to insult them, you can come up with something more intelligent than fascist (which means what precisely?).
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A fascist is the exact opposite of a libertarian.
To quote old Benito: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
So there you go, a libertarian believes in the absolute minimum state while a fascist believes in the maximum.
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
JC, I would contend there is nothing wrong with my line of thinking nor is it the cause of the country's ills. The line of thought that shouts down reasoned argument with insults and dismisses scientific research without providing an alternate view in a logical or reasoned way is what has got the country in a mess.
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Trouble is, the scientific research you mention
requires fascism to cure the ills it suggests. It's that simple.
The constant requirement for discussion is typical of the leftist movement. Regardless of the other side's opinion, the tactic is to discuss and discuss and discuss until such a time as the opposition either gives up or is brainwashed into believing the leftist's side. And then all of a sudden the constant calls for discussion seem to dry up.
It's like Switzerland and the EU:
"Do you want to join the EU?"
"No."
<six months>
"Do you want to join the EU?"
"No."
<six months>
"Do you want to join the EU?"
...etc... ...etc... ...etc...
Anybody want to bet that once Switzerland is in the EU there won't be the same discussion-friendly people saying:
"Let's discuss membership of the EU. Do you want to leave the EU?"
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
There are people on this forum who automatically assume that a person who doesn't support their view wholeheartedly is their opponent and worthy of insults. I have been called some pretty appalling things that are not supportable by evidence and so have many others. The forum will end up the worse if only those who hold certain 'correct' views are allowed to join in debate.
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There's no requirement for debate here. All the debating has already been done. This forum is more like a meeting place where persons of similar views (anti-EU, anti-fascist, anti-leftie) share information.
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
A person is not a fascist just because he thinks measures should be taken to avoid a potential catastrophe of biblical proportions.
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They might not be 100% fascist themselves, but they're being "useful idiot" minions for those who are.
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
I might not think the measures are correct or applied logically. If we all convert to biofuels then there is not enough agricultural land for all of us to eat; this debate needs to be taken forward.
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Again, no need for debate. If you all go veggie there'll be plenty of space for biofuels and food. And even some left over for some fresh carbon sink.
Just because you don't fancy the thought of going veggie doesn't mean it's not the correct answer. Of course, rather than go veggie and becoming part of the solution themselves, most of those touting MMGW prefer that someone else be the solution (i.e. by not driving). A typical leftist MO - do as I say, not as I do.
I challenge all MMGW fanatics to go veggie for a minimum of one year. No meat, no fish, no meat derivatives.
Then they can come talk to me about MMGW.
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
If we all fit solar cells we will cut our own fuel bills; the side effect is that we will reduce greenhouse gases. This argument is not fascist, it is common sense.
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No. If we all fit solar cells, what remaining energy costs we have will rocket skywards - leaving us no better off. Taxation abhors a vacuum.