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Originally Posted by Clippo
In my earlier post I asked:-
In reply Rjt wrote:-
Okay, what systems would you put into place to combat GW & how would you persuade every citizen to comply.
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Why, & how can you compare keen-ness?
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I thought that the UK economy has consistently been only 2nd to Germany in the EU. Hasn’t seemed to be a very good straightjacket to me. Give me some facts & figures to support your contentions.
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Perhaps I have ventured more often that you think. All I’ve seen is whingeing about how bad the EU is and how we must get out. And always it is expecting someone else to do it for you. And then there’s the dog/master-like devotion to anti-EU parties such as UKIP who have achieve ZILCH, or the waffle of Christopher Booker who has practically achieved ZILCH.
I asked YOU what YOU would do to combat the EU – how do you propose to get elected or start & maintain an anti EU crusade ?.
You (& Britannist) are bigger fools that you portray yourselves to be (if that’s possible) if you think your constant whingeing and critical innuendo are going to advance the EU cause by even a millimetre.
You really don’t have any concept of how wrong you are on this point.
The reality, rjt is that in order to leave the EU the UK needs a majority of MPs in Westminster to start this process. There is no way, imo, any of the minor parties (or even an alliance of anti EU parties) will get into power (or even get 1 MP) on the ant-EU issue. So, therefore you have to vote for the party which you think will deliver the promise. Even if a vote is allowed on the new ‘constitution’, and it is rejected, that’s still a million miles away from tearing up all the previous treaties.
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You cant and should not be forcing people to comply.
Policys to tackle this percieved problem ( Percieved by some) should be based on incentives not penalising industry and the homeowner.
Do you really think Britian has got a strong economy, we are billons in debt!, Look at Northern Rock!, our whole econoimy is based on credit. We have a depndancy culture which keeps people relaint on handouts, that is not a strong economy.
In the long term yes a majority at Westminister would probably be needed although a vote against the Lisbon Treaty would create a momentum in the right direction. However in the short term a few anti EU MPS could influence a hung Parliament considerably.
Your negative attitude dismissing smaller partys is typical of the elite in this country, UKIP for example won 12 seats in the Euro Elections, The Greens won 2, In The GE indepndants showed it is possible to win seats. So you just go and sustain the eleite in power, hardly susprising given your views.