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Old 05-02-2008, 02:47 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Blair summed it up when he decided to continue to fly to exotic holidays rather than take his holiday in this country as so many of us do. Do as I say etc. Wait for his US style EU Presidential campaign and the carbon footprint he will create as he jets around - bet he goes to Guyana and Guadeloupe.

I've said it before, it's about trends, not isolated incidents. It might be the coldest in China for a while, but we're having one of our warmest winters in a long, long time.

A 5 degree increase in the world's temperature could still mean that where it is now -30 in the winter it will be -25. A 5 degree decrease could still mean that it gets to +45 in Jericho on the hotter days (I was there on +50 day). In 1913 Death Valley went for weeks at +48 and is still only the second hottest recorded place after Al Azizia in Libya at +57 in 1922 (that is in shelter at 5' above the ground - surface temperatures can be over +60 in many places). Therefore if there were to be an average 5 degree increase in global temperatures then there would still be cold and snow and ice in some places. If there were to be a 5 degree drop there would still be hot and dusty deserts, just less of them.

One point for those who suggest there is no warming process, man made or otherwise, why has there only been an inexorable increase in desertified areas? The Gobi is swallowing up large amounts of farmland every year, the Sahara is expanding, southern Spain is now officially desert. There is nowhere where the desert is being driven back - even Israel has abandoned the idea of turning the Negev green and settlements are being abandoned.

All these people posting reports of individual localised conditions really do look very silly. The snow in China does not mean that there is no MMGW; it just means that there is localised snow in China. A few snowy days in lots of different locations means nothing.

For anybody to make proper comment on MMGW they need proper science - that's for both sides. This requires recording weather conditions and atmospheric conditions in thousands of locations across the planet and for a sustained period. There has to be extensive computer modelling.

I still think mankind will have overpopulated the fertile areas and caused a drought a lot sooner than MMGW takes effect.
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