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Originally Posted by David Agnew
Welcome to the forum. I have long wondered where the supporters of New Labour are. The forum has been a bit of a ghetto.
These are some of the things wrong with Labour:
Sins of commission:
* The Labour party was in power at the time that the 1967 Abortion Act was passed. They therefore have the blood of 4.5 million on their hands.
* The Labour Party fought the 1987 election on the platform of handing part of the UK to a foreign state.
* The Labour Party has invited terrorists into the government of the UK (While at the same time having the brass neck to talk about a "war on terrorism" with regard to Islamic terrorism).
* The Labour Party has gerrymandered the British constitution by setting up devolution. This: a) was done undemocratically against the wishes of the bulk of the British people. b) has created the anti-democratic 'West Lothian Question' c) wasted a lot of money d) made the break up of the UK inevitable
* The Labour Party once committed to the soverignty of the UK, are now fervent Europhiles. As we all know membership of the EU, as well as further damaging our democracy, damages the UK economy.
* They have a love of new laws and regulations
Sins of ommission:
* They have failed to tackle the appalling crime rate
* They have failed to tackle the shocking state of the NHS
* They have failed to simplify and reduce taxation
* They have failed to control the borders
* They have failed to do anything about the enormous dependency culture. In fact it has grown.
* They have failed on education
I could go on, but I haven't got time
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I don't consider abortion a sin. It is undesirable, obviously, and should not be done for trivial reasons, but I believe it should be allowed in extreme circumstances.
Our current laws on abortion are up to the challenge of achieving this; it is merely the way they are interpreted that is at fault.
Invited terrorists? "Are you a terrorist, good sir? Yes? Please sign here, then, and come right in!"
Somehow I find that difficult to believe.
As for devolution, I do not think that it should be up to the majority of British people to decide on the issue, but instead up to the majority of the sub-group in question; the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or English deciding on Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or English Parliaments respectively.
More needs to be done on the issue of an English Parliament but I certainly don't think the English should decide on the Scottish Parliament!
As for making the breakup of the UK inevitable, I think that in fifty years time the UK will still be here, as united a kingdom as ever. I will probably not be around in fifty years time, but I will certainly be for the near future in any case!
I see nothing wrong with the European Union, and I certainly contest the allegation that it is bad for the economy. What of the money we save on trade now? What of the European funds poured into British projects?
We give a lot, but I believe we take a lot as well.
New laws and regulations are not inherently bad.
Was the 'appalling crime rate' there before?
Was the NHS in a bad way before (indeed, can it be in anything but a bad way nowadays? Consider what it must cater for!)?
Reducing taxation is not always good. Also, is it not a little unrealistic to expect that they should reduce taxes AND sort out the crime rate AND the NHS AND control the borders AND sort out education AND do anything else you wish them to do?
I can't contest the dependency culture claim. Do you have any figures to back it up?
Failed on education? How so?