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Originally Posted by ModernUKIP
You'd rather die for someone like Tony Blair?
I see you have said my views on the Monarchy come across as 'collectivist';
well thats only because whatever happens to the whole effects me. I am an individual but I still strongly care about what goes on in society so much that I will be willing to make a point about it.
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There is a succinct difference between talking about society and talking about the politics of that society. You were talking about politics and political systems, not the society itself. I merely claimed that your political thinking was collectivist.
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The Queen obviously does agree with the NHS and the Public School System but we cant say she does because she is politically neutral, the Queen maybe is a socialist but that doesnt mean she is open and political about it. And if you've read animal farm by George Orwell then you'll to realise "SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" (so to speak). Socialism claims to make people equal but if eveybody is equal then where is the sense of achievment, where is the sense of wanting to do better than the pauper in the street. My Grandfather was a very wealthy man, he worked so hard sruggling for his family to give my mother and aunts a good education and you know what, the socialists took everything from him and gave it to some broken down feckless young dole-man who couldn't be bothered to work for a living. Every pound my Gradfather made 60p went to the poor and the feckless. some aspects of Socialism are good, for instance giving those who need it a better life, but when it comes to taking my money and giving it to those down-and-out unemployed bumbes thats when I become angry. I am glad I have a person to look to to reprisent my nation as Head of State who isn't one side or the other (openly of course). And I do/don't believe in Divine Right or Divine Opointment, what I ment by "who is born to do it" is that the Monarch is brought up since birth to do this job, so that not when they are about 21 stop and think "I want to reprisent the Black people of this country by being Democratically elected by them" no the Queen was brought up ALL HER LIFE to believe that she must reprisent her whole nation by not being voted in by one side of them.
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I despise socialism as well, but you are picking and choosing. You like some socialism and dislike others. You then decide to re-define the socialism you like in order to make yourself not appear as one. The fact is, distributive justice is socialism, whether it comes in the form of unemployment benefit or the NHS.
The thing is, I have already said, the queen does not represent me. If she did, then she would not represent a vast amount of the people of this nation. It is naive to think that I am in any way represented by one woman. In fact, it is impossible for there to be a queen and to have her represent me at the same time, since I believe in republicanism.
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It is quite obvious that I have turned against socialism, since this good-for-nothing socialist government has ruined our country. I agree with you about our previous Ministers would be turning in their graves.
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You have only turned away from what you define as socialism. Whereas if you look deep into your ideology you will realise that you believe in many different types of distributive justice, which is definitely a socialistic principle.
They were all philosophers, not ministers. Those four men are, in my opinion, the greatest thing that has ever happened to this nation and we must heed their advice in our time of need.
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P.S. "God doesn't exist" isn't a valid argument against the Monarchy.
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I never claimed it was.
