[quote=Smidgey;434512][quote=ModernUKIP;434393]You'd rather die for someone like Tony Blair?
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1) I wouldn't join the military.
2) If there was a draft I would sooner go to prison as an objector.
3) I made clear in my last posting that if one fights for anything, it should be liberty and freedom. Tony Blair is neither of these.
I am Republican through and through. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. (We all have our own wee sayings.  )
I never claimed they did...
The ideals of liberty, republicanism and the separation of powers can do that just as well.
Indeed, America has strayed far away from what the founding fathers taught. Jefferson would be turning in his grave. I suppose the same is true of Britain. Mill, Locke, Hume and Smith would be aghast at the current state of Britain and how our freedoms have been trampled on ever since the rise of the Labour party over 80 years ago.
I'm sorry if this is insulting, but this paragraph comes across as if you are espousing communitarian or collectivist values. I have no disrespect for the queen - only her office. By placing your argument against my republicanism in a person you are really hitting a straw man. Furthermore, if the queen had the power of Bill Clinton we could see ourselves with a case of George III or George IV, not the case of our current day. Furthermore, monarchies have failed in the past as well, so to single out only republics in this case is rather disingenuous.
The queen is but a woman and God does not exist.
Well, this entire paragraph has expanded upon ModernUKIP's straw man of my position, nevertheless I will answer it.
Again, this comes across as communitarian and collectivist. I am an individual, I care very little what the executive or the legislature are doing, so long as they are brought down to size and the scope of government is drastically reduced. Your paragraphs are coming across as some sort of collectivist dichotomy: either monarchy or state. I choose neither. You are assuming that because I am a republican I must automatically love the state? You are completely mistaken. I am a republican and I am a libertarian. The state is force and violence, and to assume that I would somehow show allegiance to the state over a monarch is folly.
And if the queen supports the NHS or the public school system, then so is she. There is a good quote by Hayek which displays this topic perfectly:
"There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and making them equal."
As to your bracketed phrase, do you believe in divine right?
Yes I do, but that doesn't mean I agree with it.
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I see you have said my views on the Monarchy come across as 'collectivist';
well thats only because whatever happens to the whole effects me. I am an individual but I still strongly care about what goes on in society so much that I will be willing to make a point about it.
The Queen obviously does agree with the NHS and the Public School System but we cant say she does because she is politically neutral, the Queen maybe is a socialist but that doesnt mean she is open and political about it. And if you've read animal farm by George Orwell then you'll to realise "SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" (so to speak). Socialism claims to make people equal but if eveybody is equal then where is the sense of achievment, where is the sense of wanting to do better than the pauper in the street. My Grandfather was a very wealthy man, he worked so hard sruggling for his family to give my mother and aunts a good education and you know what, the socialists took everything from him and gave it to some broken down feckless young dole-man who couldn't be bothered to work for a living. Every pound my Gradfather made 60p went to the poor and the feckless. some aspects of Socialism are good, for instance giving those who need it a better life, but when it comes to taking my money and giving it to those down-and-out unemployed bumbes thats when I become angry. I am glad I have a person to look to to reprisent my nation as Head of State who isn't one side or the other (openly of course). And I do/don't believe in Divine Right or Divine Opointment, what I ment by "who is born to do it" is that the Monarch is brought up since birth to do this job, so that not when they are about 21 stop and think "I want to reprisent the Black people of this country by being Democratically elected by them" no the Queen was brought up ALL HER LIFE to believe that she must reprisent her whole nation by not being voted in by one side of them.
It is quite obvious that I have turned against socialism, since this good-for-nothing socialist government has ruined our country. I agree with you about our previous Ministers would be turning in their graves.
P.S. "God doesn't exist" isn't a valid argument against the Monarchy.