Firstly I admit I did make a mistake - because it was called "RC Wiki" and it looked very much the same as Wikipedia, so I assumed it was.
But anyhow I did read it, and still stand by my argument that you can always find hit-pieces, that attept to discredit something, but they don't always discredit the facts....
I'm not going to get into an argument about "conspiracy theories" - don't believe what you don't want to believe.....
If I am guilty of looking at one source(which incidentally I will show to be untrue) then you are guilty of being closed-minded by not looking at that source because of your pre-conceived ideas about "conspiracy theories".
Just understand you should not accept somethings credibility on the basis of whether the source is mainstream and seems "credible" - I'm afraid THAT is closed minded !
I wasn't implying anything about your knowledge of mathematics because I don't even know you. I was just making the point that in science correlation does not necessarily mean causation. So please don't take it personally.
You criticize infowars.com and prisonplanet.com but these sites simply refer to articles in the mainstream media - so actually I AM relying on many sources and your argument fails there I'm afraid...
In an example, here are 2 infowars pieces that refer to a Reuters and a National Geographic article(see?) that refers to your claims on Mars.
Red planet heating up
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
I am not a climatologist(yes maybe you can out-science me with scientific terms) but I notice it says "fluctuating solar radiation is kicking up dust and winds that may be melting the planet's southern polar ice cap, scientists said on Wednesday."
Is that not the sun ?
To give credit to the theory of "man made" global warming I do see it says
"On earth, carbon dioxide traps infrared radiation which can affect global climate. This a phenomenon is known as the greenhouse effect. Fossil fuel emissions add to the problem."
However the articles also state that carbon dioxide accounts for a very small percentage of the earths atmosphere ?
You say "The albedo of Mars has been shown to be shrinking. As for the others, I would imagine the same sort of thing.
Oh, and it's not Solar System wide. Uranus is cooling.
If it were down to the Sun then we would expect it to be Solar System wide."
In my previous post I said that if people cannot say why other planets in the solar system are heating up, then they should accept that man made global warming is not true. That is not the same as saying man made global warming is not true.
May I ask you - do you have any articles/proof to back up your claims of "I would imagine the same sort of thing." and that "Uranus is cooling" ?
Because I've just found an article that claims "The Whole Solar System is Undergoing Global Warming"
The Whole Solar System is Undergoing Global Warming., page 1
So you see, I'm trying to keep open minded about global warming.
Surely you can't say that because you "imagine the same sort of thing" that that is proof it is happening surely ?
Also, even if we accept that Uranus is cooling(and I wait for your proof of that), your claim that "If it were down to the Sun then we would expect it to be Solar System wide."
This may not be true if there is something else we don't know about that is causing Uranus to cool ?
I am not saying that the sun IS the cause necessarily, but there are enough questions to cast doubt over the fact that Co2 is the primary reason for global warming.
If you can persuade me "man made" global warming IS actually true, then I'm all ears...
Over to you.......
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Originally Posted by Akria
You've just shown to the world that you didn't even *look* at the links he gave! 
He didn't list Wikipedia. Try again.
Also, you persist in using InfoWars and PrisonPlanet, PrisonPlanet being an offshoot of InfoWars in the first place! You're essentially using one source, and one which is heavily biased towards supporting any type of conspiracy theory, never mind just ones about global warming!
Regarding consensus:
Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change -- Oreskes 306 (5702): 1686 -- Science
Oxygen is good; it allows us to breathe. Water is good, too.
Try having too much of either at once.
Just because something is good in mild quantities it doesn't follow that one can't have too much.
I have a keen interest in mathematics and am quite competent in most areas of it (apart from trigonometry, which I detest with a passion), as you might have picked up from some posts I have made in the past.
Don't try to imply that I don't then understand the difference between correlation and causation.
Climatologists suggest that it appears to be the case that CO2 is causing warming using a combination of statistical analysis and basic physical/chemical properties of carbon dioxide and various other gases, these properties being that they absorb and re-radiate certain types of EM radiation, particularly IR.
Skeptics, on the other hand, have often claimed proof, yes, proof, that global warming is due to the Sun by producing graphs showing a correlation of temperature with solar activity.
Not only does that show that the ones with a lack of understanding of statistical concepts (such as the correlation != causation one) are more often the skeptics, but it has also been shown that no correlation at all exists beyond about 1970, and it was a weakening correlation even prior to that.
The albedo of Mars has been shown to be shrinking. As for the others, I would imagine the same sort of thing.
Oh, and it's not Solar System wide. Uranus is cooling.
If it were down to the Sun then we would expect it to be Solar System wide.
Also, the idea of the Sun being the cause just doesn't agree with the data. Solar activity has on average gone down over the past 30 years. Even accounting for time lag due to thermal inertia we should be seeing a cooling by now, which we haven't. Face it: the Sun is most likely not a cause, and certainly not the primary one even if it is still contributing somehow.
And, to steal one of your kind's favourite arguments, you have a closed mind. The fact that you stated, stated with certainty and no admittance that you might be wrong, that man-made global warming does not exist proves that.
Hypocrite.
No reputable climatologist has ever stated that man-made global warming is certain or even the only cause of the recent warming.
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