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Originally Posted by mordechai
A saying popular in America is "I love my country, but I fear my government."
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yes, I like that about America. I like the independent spirit that many still have. But I don't see any way for it to become politically significant. I think the deck is stacked, and I just don't see any way for that spirit to prevail. There are too many people whose independent spirit manifests itself as Democrat (anti-globalisation, anti-corporatism, anti-imperialism) or Republican (anti welfare state, anti political correctness, anti thought-police) - but both are statist. Both sides just play off of the moral agenda. Now I'm a Christian - a fundamentalist one - but the Christian right makes me sick. They play off of the threat of Islam to bolster the dictatorial powers of Bush. The left plays off of fear of the christian right to do what? - to impose their own idealogical fascism. Honestly, I do not see any way that the resistance in America will ever become organised enough. Let's face it, most people in America are either trying to survive or chasing the dream. If they care about politics, they see things from either a liberal or Christian right perspective.
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To me, and a large number of other Americans, especially of the Conservative variety, our government and our country our different. The country is the land, and the people. The government is this leviathan that is trying to choke all of us to death.
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Yes, and again I like that. One of the best books I ever read was by a man who was an economic advisor to the Reagan administration, and his analysis of the leviathan nature of things was very informative - his name is M E McMaster, aka the 'indiana jones of trading'. Yet both parties are statist. Both allow the corporate influence of government, mass immigration and globalisation, federal reserve banking, a monopolised news media, 'civil rights' etc.
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All the problems which you mentioned are also present in Britain, except, you don't have as much land space. Well, realize something. The groups of people against the NAU in America are all over the place, and widely ranging in age, demographics, etc.
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That is why I think Britain has a chance. People aren't chasing a make-believe fantasy of suburban life. They see their country going to the pan, and they can't escape. Everyone knows it's just a matter of time. Poeple are becoming desperate. And if they don't bring about a political solution soon, there will be civil war, and the Muslims are such that they won't have the sense to wait until they are in the majority before they start the fireworks.
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And, there is an advantage in the lack of traditions, and national beliefs. America is many nations morphed into one. It is Europe's refugees with a spattering of Indians (our Indians, not the subcontinentals), and Blacks. Because of this, we don't see our government as an extended family. And, we don't have loyalty to them because we are the same ethnicity.
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You see that as a strength. I see it as a great weakness. I think the multi-culturalism of America is the reason why the public has the false dichotomy of religious right and liberalism. The American people at the time of the Revolution were well read and well educated and they knew the issues. I have a huge respect for many of the founding fathers, because they really understood what true liberty was. They understood the dangers of corporatism, of central banks, of imperialism and entangling alliances, and of multi-culturalism, which they strongly rejected. The people back then were unashamebly white, anglo-saxon, and protestant, and they were strong because of it. Now I'm not trying to be offensive. I would guess you are Jewish from your user name. I can trace my own Jewish heritage back centuries. Israel today has a similar policy of only allowing Jews, because they know at the end of the day blood is thicker than water. I am a nationalist, meaning I believe that a society is strong and close knit when it has one common culture, language and ethnic character. I do not believe any one is better than another. Pat Buchanan has written a great book on why any other conception will fail in a nation. Even the utilitarian John Stuart Mill said that societies that are not ethnically and culturally united will be dictatorships, because the government will become the all-powerful umpire, playing off of different interest groups for its own purposes, and using the tensions to aggrigate more powers to itself. Isn't that modern day America in a nutshell? I am sure in 30 years time, when whites are a minority in most American states, that you will have changed your mind about how wonderful it is to have a non-homogenous nation. And what loyalty do you have as a nation? president Bush said you are joined together, not by common ties of blood, but by certain ideals. The result is an atomistic and individualistic society that, in my opinion, knows nothing of community and belonging (I'm sure the Brits on here will say that British people don't know much about that either, but in my opinion it is nowhere near like in America, where life seems so mundane and meaningless, where people actually think that driving a cool car and having lots of money is interesting. That's an overgeneralisation. I love the outdoor life in America, but I don't see the deep friendships, nor the interaction and conversation that I see in Britain. Friends, both American and British have discussed this with me).
Look at the native Americans - dispossessed of their lands; their culture a matter of ridicule for so long. They have lost all sense of meaning in who they are, and have turned to alcoholism and gambling. It is tragic. The same thing is happening to English youth.
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You say these things, but I really wonder, is it true? Is not the fact that Britain is a relatively ethnically homogenous place a bad thing? You would know more than I.
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I have no doubt that fifty years ago, Britain was the best country in the world. With regards to crime, education, community, healthcare, we could be proud. We might not have had the wealth of America and other countries, but overall I think the quality of life was great. Multi-culturalism has turned our cities into dangerous and alien places. Our women are a prey. We are second-class citizens in our country. Our brightest are leaving in droves. It is not pretty. Anyone who has seen towns transformed knows how horrible the reality is.
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Basically, all I'm trying to say is you must cultivate the concept that you love your country and fear your government. If you can do this, you may not only survive, but thrive.
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Believe me, most people love their country and hate their government!