Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

I think this well sourced story is very damaging to the euro-sceptic cause. The UKIP leadership need to make very clear now that they are 100% against the EU and will re-dedicate themselves to fight against continuing membership of it every working day.

In the fight against the EU, the English Democrats will stand in the European Parliament elections in 2009 (it is odd, isn't it, how just about every nation and even supra-national institution has an English invented Parliament, but the English are not allowed one). But any English Democrat elected as an MEP will work every day for England and our democrcay. That is what they will be elected to do by the people of England, and not to take part in euro junketing.

Why aren't the UKIP MEPs spending all their energy, time and money to get the UK out of the EU? That is why they were voted there in the first place, wasn't it?

I typically refer to the political elites in this country as corrupt. To date, I have not intended this insult to cover the UKIP leadership. But I think they will need to show rather more integrity, spirit and ability in the fight against continued EU membership to prove that they really are patriots and democrats. (I should say here that I have always respected GB the MEP from London - these bad news stories I am glad to see never include him).

If UKIP's leadership have been compromised by being MEPs, I would welcome other members of UKIP moving to the English Democrats. You will not find the English Democrats on the gravy train. We may not be flush with cash, but I am confident that we will always have an intact reputation for serving England honourably.

There is of course a very good reason why the English Democrats will never be corrupted, while the unionist political elites always tend to be.

If you love your nation, you will never betray her. For English nationalists glory in the name of England.

In contrast, the UK is not a nation. I know that all too many British servicemen have died for the UK while serving in the armed forces: just as I know all too many of our political elites have betrayed the UK.

Does anyone really think that Blair, Campbell, Brown or Cameron love the UK? Would one of them be prepared to fight and to die for the UK? Nope: not one of them. So what should we call them? How about: ambitious, self-obsessed, egocentric timeservers just after wealth and fame, everyone of them.

Our political and media elites have failed us: we active citizens need to work together to clear the lot of them away.

But the basis of our appeal to our fellow citizens, of our beliefs and of our stength is that we work for England and not for ourselves. I would like to see the MEPs - elected by the people of England - now working for England, and not for the EU.

Do other members of this forum agree?

Andrew Constantine