John Carter wrote:-
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So exactly who is paying these scientists? Who's putting bread and jam on their tables?
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You probably! – indirectly through your taxes. The UK government, like most governments in the world give grants to all sorts of academic institutions, Including the Hadley centre and UEA (the UK centres most actively involved in climate research see later). Also, The Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change, the IPCC, is funded through the UN I think – ergo, since our government makes a contribution to the UN out of UK taxes some of your cash is involved.
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JP’s response to my question , “ Do you believe the world hasn’t warmed up since 1998” is a classic:-
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I agree the temprature was very high in July , but it seems a bit cooler now.
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I’m going to save that one for a rainy day !!!
Since you obviously like the DT read this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...8/ntemps28.xml
Your reference to the Daily Telegraph article was illuminating. Firstly, it was written in April this year before the subject research of this thread was published. It was also written by a paleographic climate researcher treading the boards of the usual “the-world-was-hotter-N-million-years-ago-and-what-about-the-ice-ages-&-the-sun”, ploy.
As I said in an earlier post w.r.t. Monckton’s, Is the Telegraph trying to position itself as the sceptic’s friend since the other broadsheets have left them in the dust on GW?
Anyway, again as I said in reply to Biscuitman in a different thread, I like to get to the original statement and not rely on a journalistic rework. So, eventually I got to the Prof. Jones and UEA relevant website and interesting it proved to be:-
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
Although it’s not long, I have extracted the statement of most relevance to the question:-
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The year 2005 was equal second warmest on record, exceeded by 1998.
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Yes, on these figures since 1998 was said to be the hottest you can claim pedantically that it has not got hotter until at least 2005.
But come off it !!! you’re being disingenuous. They also wrote:-
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The 1990s were the warmest decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.548°C above the 1961-90 mean. Ten of the eleven warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past eleven years (1995-2005). The only year in the last eleven not among the warmest eleven is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990). (My bolding)
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Also, the UEA/Hadley temperature measurement of the globe is not the only show in town. Data collected by the USA NOAA only contradicts UEA in one year, - 2005 -, where one NOAA study put it as the hottest year, beating 1998 !.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...ann/ann05.html
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The 2005 global temperature was statistically indistinguishable from the standing record set in 1998. One data set, in use at NCDC since the late 1990s, produced a global annual temperature for 2005 that was slightly below 1998 (below left). An improved data set, which incorporates innovative algorithms that better account for factors such as changes in spatial coverage and evolving observing methods, results in 2005 being slightly warmer than 1998.
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Whilst I was searching for the UEA original data, I came across this:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy
Quite a balanced summary of the history of the controversy over GW.
Just a few picks relevant to some recent statements on these GW threads in this forum
1. David Bellamy - British environmental campaigner who has since decided to draw back from the debate on global warming. And published a letter in the journal New Scientist in which he claimed that, of the 625 glaciers being observed by the World Glacier Monitoring Service, 555 of them were growing, not shrinking—a statement which, if true, would cast a good deal of doubt on the existence of global warming. It turned out, however, that Bellamy's figures were incorrect: the vast majority of the world's glaciers have been retreating for the last several decades. George Monbiot of the Guardian tracked down Bellamy's original source for this information and found that it was Fred Singer's website. Singer claimed to have obtained these figures from a 1989 article in the journal Science, but to date this article has not been found.[51]
2. Steven Milloy - FOX News columnist and Publisher of JunkScience.com. Also, before starting JunkScience.com, Steven Milloy belonged to an organization called The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), which was paid by tobacco companies to cast doubt on studies about the dangers of secondhand smoke.[52][53] However, most of the authors of these editorials, their websites, or the publications themselves are almost universally extremely critical of the role of industry and government in environmental matters and focus almost entirely on negative aspects of the debate [54] [55] [56] [57].
3. Frederick Seitz – (anti-global warming treaties, accepts the temperature rise as real, but not yet properly explained)
4. Many of these opponents to anthropogenic global warming theory have links to the fossil fuels industry.
And so on. But read it, you may find a mere crumb of comfort to support your delusions.
Finally, for now and some time, you JP didn’t answer whether your ex employer is in an energy or related sector. Also, re : your jibe about ‘letters after one’s name’, are you a qualified economist, What are your academic qualifications?