Originally Posted by welshbrit

The point I was making was that if there are no unpleasant consequences resulting from mindless or thoughtless behavour lessons will not be learned.

Fighting in the streets because one is drunk and out of control in china can have serious consequences such as weeks in prison, a dangerous beating, loss of employment with no dole check and no claims for mistreatment either, Its just NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE.

It has been said that sending young offenders to prison introduces them to hardened criminals and all the tricks of the trade so to speak. If that is true why should it?

It has also been said that we have a drug problem in british prisons, How can that be? how do they get them?

Prisons should be harsh environments with no frills and bare basics.

"Stand by your beds" wash,shave,(supervised) 15 minutes breakfast, no talking, work(supervised) no trustees, no favorites, cells searched randomly no personal items no comforts, bed ok warm blanket ok, water supply and toilet ok.

Wash own clothes, Iron shirts,clean boots, no tv, no radio, no outside contact. Newpaper for good behavour books allowed for good behavour one hour reading, lights out.

No meaningful contact with other prisoners, no chance to form a community of criminals. no chance to influence crime outside. appeals against sentances allowed media involvment not allowed. Hard work, basic food no junk, regular health checks.

no alcahol no drugs no cigaretts, you will leave healthier. no gym just physical work regular normal exersise not power building. misbehave? locked up in isolation cell with short period of solitary exersise. doesn't have to be long, overall sentence doesn't have to be long.

one would be cut off from normal life and live in a world of hard work and contemplation, no criminal fraternity to feed off no bragging about stuff one did no planning no bullying no black market just you and the time you have to serve.

How sweet freedom would be then? Would it be worth risking a return or would going straight be a more appealling option. rehab kicks in for reformed characters at that point, a helping hand for those who will take responsibility for their actions and live within the law.

So how about it chaps? am I being extreme?