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Peter_North · 26-12-2005, 01:43 AM

Based in Harrogate at the moment. Just started a new job there as a database developer.

Have been surprised by the change in culture recently where it is actually ok to speak your mind about Europe and being a UKIP supporter isnt something to be all hush hush about anymore.

The new leadership of the Tories looks more crass than ever and Oliver Letwin makes Hague in a baseball cap look the height of cool. I appreciate there are good eggs in the conservatives and they're trying to change it from within but lets face it, they've had their chance. Every major victory in the Conservative party for us seems to be swept aside every change of leader and this new one almost certainly doesn't have any balls where radical action is concerned.

UKIP has ****** me off immeasurably in the past and I still feel there are a lot of people in high places who are undeserving but I have no interest in who they are or even what they do anymore. The electorate hasnt heard of any of them so why should I care. UKIP should be treated as a brand name by its members and if you're in the party to climber the ranks then you're in it for the wrong reasons. It's about getting the message out there that it is entirely possible to be a patriot without being a tory or a racist etc.

We need to get out there and change people opinions or get the ones who agree with us to realise how important it is and to stand up and be counted with us.

The working man is who we work for and the working man is who we need to work for us. They don't trust tories and never will and so we should attack them and hold them accountable for their inneptitude over their time in opposition.

I dont beleive that, even if we bled them dry of their votes they'd wake up and do our bidding. They'd simply push more INTO phpbb_lib dem territory. So if we can't chaqnge them and they refuse to change then the only option is to destroy the tories.

If they're thinking what we're thinking, why aren't they saying what we're saying?

So, I will happily stand as a candidate (again) and fund it wherever possible (if needed) and I will certainly deliver promo material if I deem it up to scratch.

I shall help in my region if asked and I will give my time on one condition. That being that you keep inner bitchings of UKIP totally out of my face. I have no time for self agrandising egotists sucking their way INTO phpbb_cushy jobs. If campaigning is what you're good at, do it in the pub and in the street, not inside the party. We've already got too many careerists and voters don't trust them. Neither do I.

This is purely a matter of changing opinions so when that time comes to vote people will say what needs to be said.

I walk around the towns and cities recently and I dont like what I see and I don't like what I feel. Something is very wrong and I feel it deeply. I'm not the only one. Change is coming soon and we have to be ready to present ourselves to the people as the people who know exactly what that problem is and exactly how to fix it.

UK politics is a dead tree right now and to rid it of all those dead branches we need to cut it down at the trunk.

I want my country back. I want to keep more of my wage. I want to see less waste of my money. I want UK forces committed to UK defence with the right equipment. I want to see more people getting off their arses and taking personal responsibility. I want to see fewer people relying on benefit. I want to fewer poeple working for the state in jobs that mean nothing and contribute nothing. I want my government to stop telling me what to think. I want my community policed by qualified, moral people. I want civil servants and government agents to be held accountable when they break the law. I want to see fewer speed cameras. I want them to stop telling me what I can or can't put in my body and when. I want to know my parents can get proper medical care when they need it. I want to go to work on public transport without it taking three hours. I want schools to punish violent kids. I want qualifications to mean something again. I want to see nurses paid properly. I want to see an end to public sector unions acting like their is a bottomless pit of our money. I want people to realise that money from the government is not free. I want to live a life where I am not constantly harrassed for pieces of personal information. I want british industry and innovation free from intrusive and expensive regulation. I want and end to stealth taxes, I want honesty, I want morality and decency to each other, I want community. I want privacy, I want freedom, I want independence, I want a vote and I want a CHOICE!!

26-12-2005, 01:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Peter_North Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 350	Based in Harrogate at the moment. Just started a new job there as a database developer. Have been surprised by the change in culture recently where it is actually ok to speak your mind about Europe and being a UKIP supporter isnt something to be all hush hush about anymore. The new leadership of the Tories looks more crass than ever and Oliver Letwin makes Hague in a baseball cap look the height of cool. I appreciate there are good eggs in the conservatives and they're trying to change it from within but lets face it, they've had their chance. Every major victory in the Conservative party for us seems to be swept aside every change of leader and this new one almost certainly doesn't have any balls where radical action is concerned. UKIP has ****** me off immeasurably in the past and I still feel there are a lot of people in high places who are undeserving but I have no interest in who they are or even what they do anymore. The electorate hasnt heard of any of them so why should I care. UKIP should be treated as a brand name by its members and if you're in the party to climber the ranks then you're in it for the wrong reasons. It's about getting the message out there that it is entirely possible to be a patriot without being a tory or a racist etc. We need to get out there and change people opinions or get the ones who agree with us to realise how important it is and to stand up and be counted with us. The working man is who we work for and the working man is who we need to work for us. They don't trust tories and never will and so we should attack them and hold them accountable for their inneptitude over their time in opposition. I dont beleive that, even if we bled them dry of their votes they'd wake up and do our bidding. They'd simply push more INTO phpbb_lib dem territory. So if we can't chaqnge them and they refuse to change then the only option is to destroy the tories. If they're thinking what we're thinking, why aren't they saying what we're saying? So, I will happily stand as a candidate (again) and fund it wherever possible (if needed) and I will certainly deliver promo material if I deem it up to scratch. I shall help in my region if asked and I will give my time on one condition. That being that you keep inner bitchings of UKIP totally out of my face. I have no time for self agrandising egotists sucking their way INTO phpbb_cushy jobs. If campaigning is what you're good at, do it in the pub and in the street, not inside the party. We've already got too many careerists and voters don't trust them. Neither do I. This is purely a matter of changing opinions so when that time comes to vote people will say what needs to be said. I walk around the towns and cities recently and I dont like what I see and I don't like what I feel. Something is very wrong and I feel it deeply. I'm not the only one. Change is coming soon and we have to be ready to present ourselves to the people as the people who know exactly what that problem is and exactly how to fix it. UK politics is a dead tree right now and to rid it of all those dead branches we need to cut it down at the trunk. I want my country back. I want to keep more of my wage. I want to see less waste of my money. I want UK forces committed to UK defence with the right equipment. I want to see more people getting off their arses and taking personal responsibility. I want to see fewer people relying on benefit. I want to fewer poeple working for the state in jobs that mean nothing and contribute nothing. I want my government to stop telling me what to think. I want my community policed by qualified, moral people. I want civil servants and government agents to be held accountable when they break the law. I want to see fewer speed cameras. I want them to stop telling me what I can or can't put in my body and when. I want to know my parents can get proper medical care when they need it. I want to go to work on public transport without it taking three hours. I want schools to punish violent kids. I want qualifications to mean something again. I want to see nurses paid properly. I want to see an end to public sector unions acting like their is a bottomless pit of our money. I want people to realise that money from the government is not free. I want to live a life where I am not constantly harrassed for pieces of personal information. I want british industry and innovation free from intrusive and expensive regulation. I want and end to stealth taxes, I want honesty, I want morality and decency to each other, I want community. I want privacy, I want freedom, I want independence, I want a vote and I want a CHOICE!!