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Old 28-11-2004, 07:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
James StGeorge
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The main image that they have is Mr Kilroy-Silk.
I would say he improved the image, without him the image I feel is more aged and ex-majors. This may be far from the truth, but the image. Stuck in the minds is the old man and his comment about wives cleaning behind fridge. I would say that is the archetypal image of UKIP.

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Evidence?
The Lib-Dems. taking the second place in both Conservative and Labour areas. Those without hope of their preferred party vote for the most likely to get the other out. You could say the UKIP EU vote is big evidence, many Conservatives were saying when interviewed they were voting just for the EU election and would return to the conservatives for the general election. It was a display to the Cs to stay on the No side.



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Their candidates were never going to win, but the people voted for them anyway
Yes in any constituency where there is no real chance of anything but one party winning you are completely helpless and impotent(if it is not the party you want). It frees you to vote for any party fringe or not as all it can do is show support to your preference. Not forgetting many will vote automatically with little insight to the usefulness. Amongst the more politically interested, a small portion of the people, you do see more comment of voting for whoever could beat X or Y rather than bind party support. If a lib-dem can take a seat from Labour it helps the Conservatives, and vice versa.



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Dr Richard Taylor was elected on a single hospital issue in Wyre Forest
True, but the passions raised were very particular to the seat, rather than a national issue. I do not know if any of the other parties backed off to let the seat be taken from Labour. As happened to get that ex bbc journalist, whose name escapes me at the moment, elected, to take a Conservative seat.

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Sorry to nit-pick again
OK fair cop! So irrelevant are the Libs I meant LDs



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In fact, wasn't it Michael Howard who first seriously put forward the notion of ID cards for Britain?
More than likely. I disliked the removal of the proper right to silence which was under their watch too. However parties change, who would have thought the Labour party of the past era would have been like 'New' Labour? Like Labour taking its base support for granted and moving onto Conservative territory, the Conservatives need to assume their tough on crime image and add a big concern to protect and restore our ancient liberties.
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